The Power of Owning Your Story with Brian Broome


In episode #36 we talk about something that’s close to my heart, something that is key to recovery and growth for a lot of people; It’s about owning your story, living your truth, declaring your truth and doing it from a place of grace and patience.

Our guest, Brian Broome is the writer behind the book, Punch me up to the gods. It’s a memoir; Brian has shared his story in the book, the early years growing up in Ohio as a dark-skinned Black boy struggling with his sexuality with his father, friends, and other important people in his life forcing him to conform to a very restrictive definition of how a black man is supposed to behave, dress, and even think leaving no room for honest self-expression.

This book is gut wrenching and heartbreaking but it’s also glorious, strangely uplifting and despite the very painful story that has been shared in it, it’s deeply relatable. The incidents may be jarring for some of us but when you look at the fears, uncertainty behind the action of each character – they will all seem familiar to you…this story is about a gay, black man who spent years trying to make sense of what the world expected of him and trying so hard and failing to find a point of reconciliation between all those expectations and everything that his heart and soul yearned for, and I don’t think I’m wrong when I say that we all have at least some understanding of what that feels like. We’ve all denied our truth for more acceptance and in doing so, lost our identity and our individuality in the struggle that followed-Brian lost himself too in drugs, alcohol, and sex but in today’s conversation we learn a little bit about how Brian found the courage to take ownership of his story, and make his way back to sanity and a place of truth where he was able to accept his past and make room for a future that’s truly his own.

About the guest-

Brian is an award-winning writer, poet, and screenwriter, and K. Leroy Irvis Fellow and instructor in the Writing Program at the University of Pittsburgh, and today he is sharing with us some of what he has learned from his struggles and how we can all begin our own journey towards living a more honest life.

Shownotes -

  • What led to the book? Brian’s state of mind as he was writing the book.
  • When and how did you take ownership of your story and made yourself responsible for the state of your life?
  • How did you make yourself comfortable with the idea of sharing this with the world…GET PAST THE MOMENTS OF SELF-DOUBT
  • How did sharing his story/the book change you?
  • Has it helped letting go of the burden fall those stories
  • How did healing begin for you
  • Disassociting from the label (toxic masculinity). And defining who you’re
  • How parents can do a better job letting their kids self-express
  • What’s next for Brian

Resources + Guest Info

[00:00:00] Krati: Okay. I didn’t get to say this. So thank you so much for having me at the time for this conversation and for being a part of the show. I’m super duper excited. Okay. Let’s dive in first. Like before we get to the, to really like the juicy part of the show, I would like to get some understanding of how you became an astrologer.

[00:00:21] Krati: What brought you to this area and why are you choosing to help people specifically with their career?

[00:00:26] Natalie: Yes. So I am a career astrologer. So it means I tap into people’s birth charts to help them find their calling and hopefully turn that into the work they actually do for a living day to day. I figure we work so much. We might as well do work that matters and makes a difference and also fits in with the soul growth that we’re actually here to embark on in this lifetime.

[00:00:52] Natalie: I actually practice Western astrology, so it is different from Jyotish and Vedic astrology. It’s based on the [00:01:00] placement of the sun, so I thought I should just get that out there because I know people in India use a different kind of astrology.  , but they’re both really,  , accurate. They’re both very valuable.

[00:01:11] Natalie: I’ve just found that Western astrology or tropical astrology is a little bit more helpful for helping you find your career. So my journey to becoming an astrologer is based on me not knowing what I wanted to do for a living, and I had always wanted to be a graphic designer, so I went to art school, and I ran my own design studio for about five years.

[00:01:37] Natalie: Designing magazines and websites and branding and things like that. And I sort of started to fall out of love with it. And that was shocking to me because that’s what I had put my whole life into. Like it is what I had always loved. So I didn’t really understand why I didn’t like it anymore. And then at the same time, I got very [00:02:00] sick.

[00:02:00] Natalie: I was. I was misdiagnosed with cancer, didn’t even have cancer, but I was told I did and I believed it. And I also had a huge breakup and I almost died from my illness, even though it wasn’t cancer. I was very, very sick, and so like pretty much everything fell apart in my life in the same year, because I was so sick I couldn’t work, so I ran out of money, had to go bankrupt, like, everything horrible you can think of happened.

[00:02:33] Natalie: In this time period, and the only thing that was really helping me continue to keep going was reading my horoscope every day. So I would read my horoscope and I would like refresh my app at midnight when you get the new horoscope and it would basically tell me that. like what’s going on in my life. And it really was like the only thing that made sense to me at that time.

[00:02:58] Natalie: And it just seemed like, wow, [00:03:00] they really know me. Like, what is this all about? So I decided to dive deeper into learning astrology and reading my birth chart. And through that process, I discovered I was actually meant to help people on a deeper spiritual level. Which I thought was super cool, but I didn’t know how to do that.

[00:03:19] Natalie: I was like, oh, I’m not psychic, I don’t really know. Although at that time I was having a really big spiritual awakening.  , I think that does tend to happen when a lot of bad things happen in your life. You start to seek out the bigger purpose and like, why is this all happening? What, what should I do, universe?

[00:03:39] Krati: Yeah.

[00:03:40] Natalie: So that’s what I was going through, and my astrology chart was like, the only thing that made sense. So I started learning more and more about it, I found that I had a natural knack for it, like, it, I… understood it pretty quickly. And I would read the astrology charts of my friends and family. And [00:04:00] from there, I really realised that a lot of the reason why I didn’t like being a graphic designer was because a lot of my clients didn’t really know who they were and didn’t even really know what they wanted.

[00:04:11] Natalie: And so I started to realise that astrology could be a really good tool. For helping entrepreneurs really understand who they are and their brand and make sure that the work they’re doing is what they were born to do so that we can really make a powerful impact in the world because when we’re doing what we love, we do it better.

[00:04:30] Natalie: We’d be, we want to become the best at it. And just imagine if all the greatest leaders in the world were the people who were born to do that work. Like they were literally sent here to earth. To improve the world in the particular way that they were meant to. So that’s what I try to promote through my

[00:04:47] Natalie: work.

[00:04:48] Krati: And has it ever happened that you read somebody’s astrology chart and told them that they were meant to go down a career path that they really did not want to go down? Has that ever happened?

[00:04:59] Natalie: No, [00:05:00] that’s never happened because we always want to do our soul purpose. The pain and the suffering comes from not being in alignment with

[00:05:07] Natalie: it.

[00:05:09] Krati: Okay, that makes sense. And yeah, your story, it’s a, it’s definitely a heavy one. I can’t imagine being in the thick of that particular storm because that that couldn’t have been easy, especially getting misdiagnosed with cancer. I mean, if you have to be misdiagnosed. Why it really should not be cancer. I can’t even imagine what that period must have been like for you.

[00:05:30] Krati: And yeah, I do know that, you know, a lot of the times when we are making like a 180 degree change to our lives, it usually follows in the wake of a lot of destruction. So that makes. A lot of sense and it, it does make sense that you ended up becoming an astrologist so that you, so that other people didn’t have to go through that kind of struggle, but care to share like any stories, any client stories that have really reinforced this idea in you that, yes, I’m in the right [00:06:00] place and I’m doing the right work.

[00:06:01] Natalie: Yeah, definitely. I think even just studying astrology, I felt more excited than I ever had in my whole life. And I had just been like a shell of a person, like about to die. So that was very shocking to me that, wow, I have so much energy to do this. But even just working with my clients and just noticing how happy it made me and how much it’s changing their lives.

[00:06:24] Natalie: Like I don’t even really have a specific story because every single client has such a big transformation and they’re always so thankful and they get so much out of it. So it’s constantly being reinforced that I’m in the right field. But at the same time, I do feel like our calling continues to evolve.

[00:06:42] Natalie: So even when you find your calling, it doesn’t mean like, okay, I’m done. Life is perfect. It’s great. And it feels amazing. It feels so much better than working at a job you hate and getting paid to do something you don’t care about, but you are still going to continue to learn more about yourself and the [00:07:00] world.

[00:07:00] Natalie: And you do kind of also always need to kind of keep your finger on the pulse of how you feel called to continue to grow

[00:07:07] Natalie: and change too.

[00:07:08] Krati: Okay. So going from a graphic designer to becoming an astrologer, that is like a huge, huge switch. What was that like making that switch, especially considering the struggles you were having in your personal life that could not

[00:07:20] Krati: possibly have been easy.

[00:07:22] Natalie: No, it was not easy. I ended up having to give up my dream home in Hawaii that me and my fiancé had just bought. And we broke up, and I moved back into my parents basement in Minnesota of the U. S., which is like Midwest area. And we have winter there, so that wasn’t fun.  , and I was still really sick for about three years.

[00:07:46] Natalie: So I did continue doing graphic design work on the side while I was building up my business, but I was basically in bed most of the time. I was exhausted. I couldn’t really eat anything without getting sick. So all I [00:08:00] really could do is like work on my business from bed. And because I could put so much attention into it, it grew pretty quickly.

[00:08:07] Natalie: And I was actually getting more clients than I could handle because I wasn’t feeling that well,  , because I got featured on a podcast and I got booked out like a few months in advance, but I was juggling both.  , careers for a little while and what was really great about my graphic design experience is that I could make my own graphics.

[00:08:29] Natalie: I can make my own logo, my own branding, my own website. So that was like It wasn’t for nothing, right? I could put all of, everything I had learned so far into my new

[00:08:39] Natalie: business.

[00:08:41] Krati: Okay. That, that worked out in your favour. And I do like, this is one of the things that I think happened when you are moving in the right direction. There is a certain degree of alignment and things seem to work out in your favour. That does happen. I mean, at least I think so.  , yeah, but I think everyone has a different take on it based on their own [00:09:00] experiences.

[00:09:00] Krati: But do you believe that, The alignment makes it so that there is no struggle anymore, or especially because this is something that is believed a lot in the Hindu philosophy that when you are moving towards a like something big, you get challenged a lot, you get tested a lot so that by the time you get to the finish line, you are actually worthy of what it is that you’ve

[00:09:23] Krati: asked for.

[00:09:25] Natalie: Yeah, I do feel like I was stepping into a higher level of responsibility in making an impact on the world. And in order to do that, I had to shed everything about who I was before that. So at that time, I actually had Saturn moving over my rising sign. Which, Saturn is the planet of, uh, challenge. immense challenges, and it was going over my identity.

[00:09:48] Natalie: So I did have to let go of who I used to be, but then I was able to become who I was meant to be. And so once I did stop resisting that transformation, [00:10:00] And I was like, okay, universe. Like, obviously what I’m doing is not helping. I’m just going to like open up to what I’m supposed to be doing right now.

[00:10:08] Natalie: Everything did work out so much better. And I did feel a lot more joy and excitement, even though I’m so sick, like I was so happy. So, and then. My illness did eventually clear up and everything like that. So I’m totally fine today, but I do think the universe has to get really loud sometimes to get our attention.

[00:10:28] Natalie: And that was maybe like the only way I was going to listen because I was very set on the life I had created

[00:10:33] Natalie: before.

[00:10:35] Krati: Okay, okay, that that makes sense, but help me understand this a little bit better because I think we often like people who believe in astrology people who believe in the forces of the universe often are looking for resistance and are often looking for flow. So, those are accepted, they are kind of. vague concepts, maybe not for you because [00:11:00] you do this work all the time, but for someone like me, for someone who, you know, hasn’t, hasn’t gone very deep into this thing.

[00:11:08] Krati: These are concepts that they’re intangible concepts basically, right? You, you can’t have it out on a spreadsheet and figure it out like that. So for people like that, they’re looking for resistance. They’re looking for flow, but we also believe that universe does test and challenge you. So how do you know you’re on the right path?

[00:11:26] Krati: If you are experiencing resistance, what does that resistance feel like when you’re on the right path? Because resistance could also be the universe’s way of telling you that you’re not on the right path. This is not the journey for you. I had something else planned for you. How do you figure

[00:11:41] Natalie: Yeah, there’s a negative and positive aspect of every planet, or you could say lower vibrational and higher vibrational. And so at first, something really terrible happening in your life might feel like it’s bad, right? But it’s actually showing that it’s time [00:12:00] to change or to shift. Maybe it’s an initiation of some sort.

[00:12:04] Natalie: And so you start to feel better when you make those changes. But in general, if you feel stressed, if you feel upset, depressed, Like angry, any of those kind of like what we see as lower vibrations, you’re resisting blessings that want to come your way actually. And so whenever you have these big challenges, it’s a really good sign that really good things are about to come your way.

[00:12:29] Natalie: If you’ve ever heard the phrase, the darker, the dark, the lighter, the light that’s waiting for you on the other side. So initially the planets will put a lot of pressure on you because it is time to change. And we. Suffer more when we don’t listen and we don’t heed the call and notice like, Oh, this is painful.

[00:12:47] Natalie: It’s trying to teach me something right instead. We’re like, Oh, there’s something wrong with me that I’m feeling pain, but it’s really like a lot of the planets teach us. We need to let go or we need to get on track. We need to mature. And when we [00:13:00] don’t do that, we Get stuck

[00:13:01] Natalie: in it.

[00:13:03] Krati: Okay, so what you’re saying is that even though you could be suffering through, like in your story, the things that were happening were so bad, but they were meant to get you on the right track and when you did get on the right track Things did ease up for you. Your illness was, you recovered from your illness, but what if you continue to struggle on that field?

[00:13:23] Krati: Would you have quit or would you have

[00:13:24] Krati: kept going?

[00:13:26] Natalie: I don’t think the universe would have let me do that because the idea is that the planets are kind of like forcing you to have the transformations you’re meant to have. You know, you have your own birth chart, but then you have where the planets are in the sky day to day, and they shift, and they literally, change us.

[00:13:45] Natalie: And so you can’t really fight back against it. Like even your spirit guides, if you believe in that, they’re whispering to you, like, don’t do that or do that. Right. So I don’t really think,  , I think we’re meant to, [00:14:00] we end up having the lessons we need to have and we end up growing through them. And when they get really loud, it’s because you’re not paying attention

[00:14:07] Natalie: enough.

[00:14:09] Krati: Okay, so to break it down, if you are facing a lot of resistance or someone listening to this episode, if they are facing a lot of challenges in their life, they are in like the darkest of their, uh, of their life. They’re experiencing so much darkness that they are in pain.  , how do they like, if they were to run an assessment and figure out whether they’re being tested or around, whether they’re worthy of their path or whether they’re on the wrong path, how do they

[00:14:35] Krati: figure it out right now?

[00:14:37] Natalie: I don’t think it’s necessarily about worthiness, but it is a lot about believing you deserve more and you deserve to feel good. And so there’s all sorts of different kinds of challenges in life, but it really comes down to what we allow ourselves to receive. So I don’t know. I guess it’s not so much [00:15:00] about,  , if you’re in the wrong thing or not, it’s more like, are you happy or not?

[00:15:04] Natalie: And if like, we know when we’re excited about what we’re doing, or if we know that we’re not and that like, we know we’re in the wrong career, most of us, but the problem it.

[00:15:17] Krati: Yeah, well, I do believe that if you are doing something you love, even like the worst day on a job that you love is better than the best day on a job that you do not care for. So, I think that is like 1 easy assessment of it. Uh, but yeah, I think intuition is a very, like, I, because of my experiences recently, I’ve come to believe that intuition is a very, very powerful.

[00:15:46] Krati: thing and you really should not ignore it. How much, uh, like the, the readings that you give out to your clients and the intuition, which is something we all have access to, how are the two connected? If at

[00:15:59] Krati: all.[00:16:00]

[00:16:00] Natalie: I see your astrology chart as being the blueprint of your intuition. So, a lot of times in a reading, I’m not telling you things you didn’t already know deep down. I’m just reminding you and making it more clear. Like, no, really, you can trust how you feel about this situation. your job, for example. So I do think they go hand in hand.

[00:16:21] Natalie: Sometimes our intuition can trick us. We really have to ask ourself if we feel a certain way because of love or fear. And if it is because of fear, then it might be a trick. And it’s not really your intuition. It’s like your limiting beliefs speaking up. But that’s a really good thing to measure, is like, do I feel this way because I love this, or because I’m afraid?

[00:16:45] Krati: Okay. I’ll just share like my experience. So my listeners know about it, even though I like did a whole episode on it. But my intuition, the reason that I didn’t listen to my intuition was because I was. Everyone else and people who had more experience of the industry than I did, [00:17:00] people who knew more than I did, they were telling me to go do things differently.

[00:17:04] Krati: And I listened to them because I was like, okay, they know better than I do. I’ll just do this. When in fact, and that was such a weird thing for me to do because I’m really not someone who ever. Does what other people tell her to do. I always walk my own path and that did not work out. And now I’m having to undo all of those things and do them the way I initially decided to do them.

[00:17:27] Krati: So I would say that listen to your intuition, but do you believe like. Uh, after you get an astrology reading, like if someone were to book with you and you were to read their birth chart, that would activate your intuition because some people really. Intuition is not a tool that they rely on that they don’t find very reliable.

[00:17:45] Krati: Also.

[00:17:47] Natalie: Yeah, definitely, because it shows you that you can trust the voices that you’re hearing inside. Like, when I was like, I don’t really like my work anymore, but I don’t know why. I think the chart provides the [00:18:00] why. Like, you already have the feeling. feeling, but you might not know, can’t always see the bigger picture behind things.

[00:18:06] Natalie: So your astrology chart really shows the energetic makeup of the situation on a much deeper level than you can like see or understand, especially if you have other people in your life. That are telling you to go in a certain direction. Like I thought it was really cool to be a graphic designer. I didn’t want to let down my clients, right?

[00:18:27] Natalie: Even everybody in my family loved the person I was going to marry. So I felt like I’m letting them down, even though it’s my life. And

[00:18:36] Natalie: so it just really helps you get a really strong sense of yourself so that you can come back to that whenever there’s any other. choices you need to make in the future.

[00:18:45] Natalie: You know what’s best for you, and it comes from within instead of externally.

[00:18:51] Krati: Okay. When do you recommend that people come to you for a reading? Like, as they’re figuring things out, but they kind of know what they want, [00:19:00] then they should come to you to solidify things or before they’ve even done any internal exploration.

[00:19:05] Natalie: I think we’re all doing internal exploration every day, whether we realise it or not.  , I actually don’t do astrology readings myself anymore. I teach astrology, and I train astrologers to give readings.  , but whatever the case might be, I always think it’s helpful to learn about your astrology chart.

[00:19:26] Natalie: No matter where you’re at in your journey, there was a time, like you mentioned before we started, that your mom already had your birth chart ready a few days after you were born, and there were ancient civilisations where we were born knowing our purpose right away, and I think there’s a lot of struggle in the world because we’ve lost touch with that.

[00:19:46] Natalie: And we are kind of letting government and society dictate how to be, how to feel and what to do. So I always think it’s really helpful. I will say I did look at my astrology chart years and years ago, and I [00:20:00] didn’t really understand it because I hadn’t like,  , awakened that part of me yet. And I did feel like there was some truth to it, but there was a lot of it.

[00:20:09] Natalie: I was like, kind of scratching my head. Like, I don’t know, am I like that? I don’t know if I am yet. So. There is definitely a sense of, like, needing to do some soul searching and live your life,  , to make it all make sense. But your birth chart is the map of your whole life. So just keeping an open mind going into it that you might not understand everything, but if you just, like, keep living life, it will show itself to you.

[00:20:34] Krati: Yeah, my concern, the reason I asked you that question is because when we have really not done any internal exploration, we don’t have any answers of our own. We do allow that thing that is giving us some answers, like, in the absence of. Any answer at all, whatever answer you get seems to be like something that would start to guide you and then you may get pushed into certain directions that you may not necessarily want to go to.

[00:20:58] Krati: So I would [00:21:00] believe that having some idea of who you are, what you want out of life, the big vision, so to say, and then going down this path, the astrology path and getting guidance from your birth chart. What I think those would be two powerful forces to combine to, and then establish some structures in your life.

[00:21:19] Krati: What would you say about that?

[00:21:21] Natalie: Yeah, astrology isn’t going to do the work for you,  , but a lot of people don’t know where to get the answers. So that’s where astrology can You know, give them a, uh, step in the right direction, but also everybody’s going to interpret your astrology chart a little bit differently. And there are definitely astrologers out there who are more pushy or they might kind of err on the side of like doom and gloom and stuff like that.

[00:21:45] Natalie: So I do think it’s really good to use your intuition to feel out the person you’re getting the guidance from, because as astrologers, we’re just looking at symbols. on a chart. And what we say about those symbols has [00:22:00] a lot to do with our own perspective of life and spirituality. Like I look at it through the lens of your career, for example.

[00:22:07] Natalie: So you definitely want to feel out who you’re choosing to work with or the books you read when you’re,  , decoding your chart because it is like a creative art. In a lot of ways,  , and then also whatever you receive from someone to double check it with your intuition, like does what they say feel good?

[00:22:25] Natalie: Because my goal for a reading when I do them is to help someone feel really excited and they leave the conversation like super confident and excited to move forward. And if you leave feeling deflated and sad and upset, you might not have picked a good person to work with.

[00:22:43] Krati: Right. I had an experience like that. It was for tarot reading. I went to, just for fun, we went to a guy for tarot reading and he was It was like getting lectured, like he was lecturing me. He had known me in a previous life and he absolutely hated me, [00:23:00] which was a very strange experience. And everything he told me was like, who are you talking to?

[00:23:05] Krati: I am not this person. I will say this though, that when I get. As I told you, my mother is super into astrology. She’s constantly telling me, oh yes, yes, you are facing this struggle because this is what’s going on. Or yes, yes, things are going well for you because these planets are in the position of power.

[00:23:22] Krati: I would be like, okay, you know what? Let’s not go down that path. So I think. There is resistance to astrology because you do want to keep power in your own hands. You do not want to believe that there are planets that are manipulating how your life functions without you even realising that that is happening.

[00:23:43] Krati: We want to believe that we are the creators of our own destiny. But at the same time, I do, and especially this, this came to me, like, as I was going to your website, I was, it does make me. Very intrigued, very happy [00:24:00] to know that there are these tools out there that we can use to ease our path. Because a lot of the time, especially if you’re an entrepreneur, you are very often stuck with, what am I supposed to do next?

[00:24:10] Krati: How am I supposed to make things better? How am I supposed to have more money? How am I, who am I supposed to hire? Am I supposed to hire someone? Should I work by myself? Should I wait to do this thing? That thing? Cuz there are so many options now. So it is intriguing to me. So I have two questions here. Do you believe that, like, learning about all of, like, your planetary positions, learning about what forces are dominating your life, does that add to your power or does it take away from that?

[00:24:37] Krati: And secondly, the readings that you get, how unique are they to your life? Because one of the reasons why I don’t love reading, like, I’ve never been interested in reading, uh, my horoscope, it’s like, cause it’s for every single person that was born on 10th of July. So, for me, that’s like, okay. No, I don’t care about that.

[00:24:56] Krati: So, but I do know, Burchard, what does that [00:25:00] mean? How specific is it going to be to you?

[00:25:02] Krati: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:04] Natalie: Yeah, the idea of it taking away your power, I think that kind of comes from your ego, wanting to control everything. But the universe actually does have your best interests at heart, and it really does want to help you grow. It really does want to help you find your joy and make a powerful impact in the world.

[00:25:23] Natalie: And us being like, I don’t want to know because I’m going to do this myself. It’s kind of funny sometimes because it’s like, You know, whatever you believe, like universe, God, source, whatever. Right. It’s like, I don’t want your help. I got this.  , I think it is good too.  , and that’s, I totally respect that point of view too, because no matter what you’re going to learn.

[00:25:46] Natalie: But,  , as far as the universe, like controlling what you’re doing, it’s like an airplane to a dog to like, I don’t know, everything has a birth chart.

[00:25:59] Natalie: [00:26:00] So. I wouldn’t say that it’s

[00:26:01] Natalie: necessarily

[00:26:02] Natalie: controlling you, because going back to that idea of the positive

[00:26:08] Natalie: negative expression of the planets, you can

[00:26:11] Natalie: decide how

[00:26:12] Natalie: you want to take that

[00:26:13] Natalie: energy.

[00:26:14] Natalie: So let’s say there’s a day where there’s a lot of anxiety in the air, you can either freak out about it and feel terrible like you drink too much coffee and like stress out about it, or you can use that energy to make a powerful change in your life and get on track with something you’ve been putting off and not doing, even though you know you need to.

[00:26:34] Natalie: So.  , it’s sort of like you take it as you will. And as for like my experience with astrology, I think the more that I have worked with it, the more I actually trust the universe and the less I need to work with it. So I have a lot of new students and they are obsessed with checking it every day. And I don’t do that.

[00:26:54] Natalie: Like if I’m. Like curious about the next week, I will glance over it,  , [00:27:00] but I’m not so like down to the minute what’s going on anymore because I know that whatever day I schedule something, it was when it was meant to happen.

[00:27:09] Krati: That actually does help. Yeah, that does help because I do, I am beginning to realise the more I do the work that I’m doing, because the more decisions I have to make and the more challenging those decisions do get progressively more challenging. I do believe that if I could. Really hone my intuition and I can hone it by using it more and more and if I can rely on the energetic forces around me I think It would really, really add to my power, but it is not easy to do.

[00:27:40] Krati: I will also like share that with my listeners. It is not an easy thing to do because then logic, we are people who’ve been brought up to make decisions based on our logic and learn from the mistakes of others and look, look at what this person did. But we often, and in doing so, we often forget that this person has a completely different story and a completely different [00:28:00] ideology and a completely different outlook on life and completely different desires also.

[00:28:04] Krati: I think, but if you can do that, if you can start really let go, as you said, the ego really makes that very, very hard for you to do. But if you can just shush your ego and actually let your intuition lead you, I think great things can happen because that is. That is something that I’m experiencing for the past year.

[00:28:23] Krati: It is hard to do though. And I think astrology just might be able to help you because then you actually have another person guiding you. Uh, but yeah, my second question though,  , how specific are the readings to the person

[00:28:36] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:28:37] Krati: to? Yeah.

[00:28:38] Natalie: Yeah.

[00:28:38] Natalie: So horoscope is just. The only way astrologers have to give you a taste of what astrology can do, but when you actually get a reading, you don’t just have your sun sign, which is what the horoscopes are based on. You have so many other planets on your chart that are in very unique positions.

[00:28:56] Natalie: And so a reading is like 100 times more [00:29:00] specific than a horoscope is. But that’s not to say that horoscopes aren’t accurate or valuable. That is an, an aspect of what you’re going through right now. It just isn’t the whole picture, but it’s really like the best that astrologers can do to give you a taste of

[00:29:14] Natalie: it.

[00:29:16] Krati: Okay.

[00:29:17] Natalie: getting you in a reading.

[00:29:19] Krati: Okay. Okay. So, uh, what do you use when you are like, how does the process work? What information do you take from your clients or whoever it is that

[00:29:29] Krati: you’re reading for?

[00:29:31] Natalie: Yeah, all you need is your date, time, and location of birth, and then I plug it into a computer, and it brings up a chart. In Western astrology, we have a circular chart, and it’s based on where the planets were in the sky when you were born, and each of the planets is in a specific zone of the sky. Which we know as a zodiac sign.

[00:29:53] Natalie: And then it also filters into what we call a house, which shows how that energy is [00:30:00] grounded onto the earth plane. And so it would probably look really crazy if you’re looking at it for the first time, because you don’t know how to read it, but basically I just look at the chart and I see, okay, here’s your sun symbol and it’s in this zone of the sky and this house, and therefore you express yourself the best in.

[00:30:18] Natalie: This way, according to these characteristics, and so each of the planets has their own personality, you could say. And you could say the moon is what makes you feel safe and happy and comforted. And then, you know, Mercury is how you communicate. Neptune is your dream vision for the future and so on and so forth.

[00:30:39] Natalie: There’s even asteroids that show you greatest wound in life, and it gets very, very deep, and sometimes people are not prepared for how deep it gets.

[00:30:51] Krati: It also filters into what we call a house is going to move into that earth plane. And so, it was probably a really creepy experience for the first time because you don’t know how to read it. And not completely rely on the birth chart because I’m [00:31:00] guessing it doesn’t like, tell me what the answers are like, are they, do they guide you in a way where, and like, Oh, you’re supposed to be a lawyer or they tell you, Oh, you’re supposed to work for justice or

[00:31:11] Krati: something like that.

[00:31:11] Krati: I’m just

[00:31:12] Natalie: Yeah, exactly. The chart can’t just say like, oh, you’re a teacher, but there’d be several clues that would be like, wow, you’d be a great teacher because you have these qualities. For example, if I were going to read my own chart, I would say my son is in Pisces in the third house of social networking, which means that I express myself the best when I’m helping people believe in the magic of the universe and themselves by sharing messages in a way that’s really easy for people to understand.

[00:31:40] Natalie: And I got all of that from one point. There’s so much more you could say about it, but that would be like my short version. And my moon is also in the same place, so that means I feel comfortable when I’m doing that same thing. My rising sign’s in Sagittarius, and that shows that the work that I’m physically meant to do for a living [00:32:00] is to be a guide, and to help people widen their horizons of what is possible for them.

[00:32:05] Natalie: So you can imagine me Figuring these things out as a graphic designer. I’m like, I’m not doing that. I’m just designing surface level graphics right now. And so even though I didn’t know specifically how to channel that energy, I had a really good direction to look in. So I knew I should be looking for spiritual subjects.

[00:32:23] Natalie: I should be looking for things I’m really excited about that I want to share with other people. So that’s like an example of some of the insights that you’d get from reading your chart is you get like, The things you’re feeling get really narrowed down. You might still have to go do some soul searching.

[00:32:38] Natalie: You might still have to go and try some jobs and see how they feel to understand how it’s going to play out in the physical world, but it really narrows things down. I would have never figured it out on my own. I would have just been like, I started to teach how to make graphics and that was the closest I had gotten where I felt really excited, but it wasn’t it [00:33:00] fully.

[00:33:01] Krati: Okay. Okay. That helps. That helps. Uh, so would you recommend that people start doing this thing on their own or do they right away? Like just start this journey with a guide. So approach someone. You know, to have them read

[00:33:15] Krati: your birth chart.

[00:33:16] Natalie: Yeah, you definitely want to get a guide because it is very complicated. I did write a book. It’s called Find Your Cosmic Calling, a guide to discovering your life’s work with astrology. And I make it really simple to get started with looking up your astrology chart and reading it and decoding it. But I would definitely recommend having.

[00:33:37] Natalie:  , working with someone you resonate with because otherwise you’re going to run away and freak out because like that’s what most people do. And that’s what I want to help change because you look at the chart and you’re like, ah, I’m running away. So I try to help provide an in and a way to understand it that you can directly apply to your life in a really practical way.

[00:33:59] Krati: [00:34:00] Is any other books that you would recommend or any like podcast or any blog or anything really that can really help people add to their knowledge

[00:34:09] Krati: of this area?

[00:34:10] Natalie: Yeah, I also teach astrology. You can take classes in my membership and I teach all the different planets and also how to work with astrology to figure out what’s going on for you right now. So like, kind of like creating your own horoscope, but the version that’s a hundred times more specific to your life.

[00:34:29] Natalie: And also there’s a area on business astrology because your business has an astrology chart. So you can actually look up branding and marketing and messaging and how to grow your business using astrology too. So I really poured like every book and resource and class I’ve ever learned into my own book and courses and things like that.

[00:34:49] Natalie: So of course that’s what I’m going to

[00:34:50] Natalie: recommend.

[00:34:52] Krati: Okay, awesome. I’ll share the links to that. Uh, and what other like I know you said you what you [00:35:00] practice is the circular astrology. Is that

[00:35:02] Krati: correct?

[00:35:03] Natalie: Yeah, the chart is

[00:35:04] Natalie: circular.

[00:35:06] Krati: But I do know that there are a lot of different kinds of astrology out there astrological tools and a lot of like angel numbers, a lot of things that are Okay. Sort of supposed to guide you. So, do you, any other tools that you use in addition to Circular Astrology,

[00:35:23] Natalie: yeah, I mean, I love tarot and oracle cards and things like that. But from working with astrology on such a deep level for so many years now, it has really opened up my own intuition. And so a lot of what guides me from day to day is just my own intuition. I get signs, I have dreams about things before they happen.

[00:35:43] Natalie: And so that’s ideally how we are meant to be navigating the world, but we’ve really lost touch with it, and that’s where these other tools can come in handy.

[00:35:55] Krati: Okay, okay. Just so you know, when you responded to my last email, the [00:36:00] numbers on that email were 111111. So, I found that to be very, you know, like, I took that to be a sign, like, oh, wow, this

[00:36:09] Krati: is so cool.

[00:36:11] Natalie: Yeah, I definitely do believe in, you know, angel numbers, angels, all those different things. They’re all really great pathways to follow.

[00:36:20] Krati: Yeah, I constantly see repeating numbers and then I’m like, okay, maybe I should make a note of it and check what this means. But, yeah, as you said, like, I’m very someone who’s very into my own power. So. Sometimes I overlook that, but yeah, I think this is really cool that you can have, you can be doing something really complicated and really difficult.

[00:36:39] Krati: And then a number shows up or you remember that this is what my, the person who read my birth chart told me that this is, it’s going to be this difficult, but the other side of it is awesome. I think in that way, this could be something incredible because it can prevent us from giving up.

[00:36:58] Krati: A life part that’s [00:37:00] complicated and it’s taking you towards big things. It’s never easy. So I think that’s, that’s pretty cool. Which reminds me of something I read on your website about cosmic consciousness. So what does

[00:37:12] Krati: that mean?

[00:37:13] Natalie: it’s just having consciousness that the cosmos are a thing and they are leading us and guiding us And they’re not just like pretty lights in the sky

[00:37:24] Krati: Okay. So, you know, people are super into manifestation or super into something lending them strength. And I completely get why that would be, you know, you want to believe that if you sort of get an alignment, if you, you’re, you’re thinking things in a certain way and you’re doing things in a certain way, the universe is lending you power because what could be better than that?

[00:37:46] Krati: Right. But. Also, I’ve noticed that with manifestation, the problem, toxic positivity becomes a real problem because people force themselves to be positive. And when things are not going well for you, that could actually be [00:38:00] very counterproductive. Do you believe that for your birth chart, the guidance that it gives you, for you to bring that into action and for you to constantly keep moving forward, you have to suspend beliefs or you have to force a certain kind of positivity or you have to live your life a certain way.

[00:38:15] Krati: For that to work in your favour, is that ever the

[00:38:17] Krati: case

[00:38:19] Natalie: Well, your astrology chart is showing you how you can live in most alignment with your most authentic self And so when we are in that alignment we Find more flow. Things come to us more easily. We get what we want because we’re doing what we were born to do. And so I do think just naturally living in alignment with that, you’re going to be happier.

[00:38:39] Natalie: You’re going to make people around you happier. And therefore, like we’re, we’re designed to give and share our light with other people. And then it comes back to us. So I don’t think it’s so much about changing who you are as much as shedding who you aren’t.

[00:38:57] Krati: and any rituals that you recommend that are [00:39:00] just like help you hone your intuition

[00:39:03] Natalie: yeah, a really good way to work with astrology, if you don’t want to go down the rabbit hole of all of the symbols and everything, which I do recommend also, is to work with the moon. So, whenever we have a new moon, that’s the manifestation moon. It’s when you want to think about what you want to bring into your life next.

[00:39:21] Natalie: And it’s such a powerful time. to put that out into the universe. And then the full moon is when you want to look around your life and decide what is getting in the way of you having what you want and you release it. So that’s a really powerful practice. And it could even just take a few minutes. If you, if it’s a new moon and you just keep track of that on your calendar, you could journal or you just think about what do I want?

[00:39:46] Natalie: You know, whether it’s this month or just in my life in general and then on the full moon journal or just think about what you want to let go of. And that’s a really good way to work in alignment with the universe as well.

[00:39:58] Krati: Do you have to sit outside

[00:39:59] Krati: and do it, [00:40:00] or you can do it

[00:40:00] Natalie: Now, the moon is, the moon can hear you no matter where you are

[00:40:06] Natalie: and you don’t have to say it out loud. It’s just more. Because,  , these things are happening anyways, but when we can become cosmically conscious of them, then we empower ourselves to work with that energy.

[00:40:22] Krati: Okay. And have you ever seen a case where people have just gone too far? Like they’ve completely suspended their own power and they’re totally relying on the birth chart. Is that a danger? Do you think, is that something you would want to warn people against?

[00:40:34] Natalie: People can go overboard with it, but if that’s what makes them feel good, I think everybody’s going to learn the lessons they need to learn, whether or not. We help them. And so like they’ll eventually learn from that. So I don’t worry about needing to control people’s experience of that. But definitely when I teach astrology, I do talk about how I use it in a way and how it has helped me kind of become [00:41:00] more faithful in.

[00:41:02] Natalie: things working out. And once you kind of understand that lesson, you don’t need to be so picky about all the little details, but there are a lot of details. Like it is really fun to just learn,  , all the like little techniques that you can do with it. They’re really never ending.

[00:41:19] Krati: If you had the superpower to just determine like precise progression of someone’s life, like from A to B to C to D and see it clearly, like, you know how they show in those witchy TV shows where you have a crystal ball and everything is visible to you.

[00:41:35] Krati: Like you can see the scenes playing out. Would you want that superpower? And would you actually tell people the

[00:41:40] Natalie: Hmm. That’s a weird question because I do know my teacher and it’s very confusing

[00:41:48] Natalie: sometimes

[00:41:49] Natalie: because

[00:41:50] Krati: No, but would you,

[00:41:52] Natalie: somebody else’s,

[00:41:53] Krati: if you

[00:41:53] Krati: knew. Somebody else says, and you knew exactly what they had to do and exactly what was going to happen. [00:42:00] Like there’s no mystery left. You’re just giving them the whole answer. Everything.

[00:42:05] Natalie: No, I wouldn’t tell them because you learn from experience, but I do, I can actually do that is what I’m saying, and I wouldn’t tell them because, uh, you learn from going through it. That’s the whole point. And also, your life plan is something you planned yourself before you came here. Like, your birth chart, you chose it.

[00:42:28] Natalie: You’re just, you just forgot about it. So when you’re getting a reading, you’re just like, oh yeah, I remember now. I chose this. And so, there’s no point in reminding you because we forgot for a reason. We’re not meant to know because we’re meant to listen to our intuition. And we’re going to have the experiences we’re meant to have, no matter how bad they seem, it was planned and you were meant to have it.

[00:42:51] Natalie: And when you can accept that, I think you can see life as being more of a place of learning, and not always a place where you’re like, on the [00:43:00] top of the world, filled with abundance every single day, because what are you going to learn from that?

[00:43:07] Krati: that’s a beautiful message. You know, we do have a temple in India, in South India, where they believe that there’s a cave, uh, and they did like a whole documentary on it. They believe that there are these little Papers made out of leaves that are there with every single person that exists in the world their names on it And their entire life stories on it So you can actually go down there and it will take some time But you can get your story like you can get that paper with your name your birth date every everything about you on it I’ve often wondered because that paper will also tell you when you’re supposed to die, which I think is just like the most It’s just, it’s not a path you should ever go down.

[00:43:50] Krati: So I, I do believe I’m someone I’m religious. I pray a lot and I like to keep, as I said, my power in my own hands and, and with God. [00:44:00] But, and as much as I think these are amazing things, like if an astrology can help you make entrepreneurial decisions. Well, that would just really ease things for you because there are times when you are, you feel so challenged, right, because you want to do well, you are putting, there’s so much at stake, but at the same time, you feel so alone because you don’t know what the best choices are.

[00:44:21] Krati: So, in that respect, I do believe that the work that you do is an incredible source of power. But I do believe that there’s also such a thing as going too far. Like knowing the day you’re going to die, knowing exactly how things will pan out. That’s, I think that would just take away all the beauty from life.

[00:44:39] Krati: So I respect the answer you gave. That makes so much sense to me.

[00:44:43] Natalie: Yeah, you don’t need to know that information. Anyways,

[00:44:47] Krati: Yeah. Okay, this was amazing Natalie. I loved it. It’s a shame though that you don’t read bird charts anymore So if someone wants to get a reading from you, they can’t they can learn

[00:44:56] Natalie: yep You can take my classes and I have a class that [00:45:00] will help you go through the journey of learning your astrology chart It’s very simple and fun and easy and I help you apply it directly to your practical everyday life So you can learn more about that at soulshineastrology. com slash community But if you’re not sure if you want to learn about it or not yet, my book is a really good place to start and that’s called find your cosmic calling, a guide to discovering your life’s work with astrology, and it’s available in bookstores worldwide.

[00:45:30] Natalie: And again, it’s just a really good place to start.

[00:45:33] Krati: Okay I’m gonna share the links to all of the things that you mentioned so they will be available in the episode description if anybody wants Access to them.

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